Krvná plazma
Tomáš
30.01.2008, 23:56
Nazdárek všetci.......neviem či sa to sem hodí, ale ja si myslím že hej veď plazma sa nachádza v krvi tiež......ale ide o to či by tu bol nejaký záujem o darovanie plazmy......neviem ako je to na Slovensku, ale viem o možnosti darovať v Hainburgu (skôr je to pre okolie BA) http://www.humanplasma.com/item8/frameset.html
Mo hla by sa tým vyplniť diera medzi jednotlivými darovaniami krvi
A ešte tam rozprávajú aj po slovensky takže sa netreba báť ak neovládate nemčinu
Tomáš
30.01.2008, 23:58
Jozef
31.01.2008, 08:19
xixixii myslim si ze urcite sa to sem hodi ...ale ak sa mam priznat vela som sa on zatial nezaujimal skus mi to trosec priblizit prosim :-)
Mária
31.01.2008, 08:36
Ahoj, ja som tam bola raz a stacilo mi, uz viac sa tam nechystam...
Na letakoch pisu o prispevku 18 eur za kazde darovanie, co je sice pekne, ale ked tam clovek pride 1. krat, tak nedostane ani halier... to by nebolo az take zle, ale co ma najviac rozladilo, bola velmi dlha cakacia doba a velka liknavost pracovnikov... u nas na Slovensku si sestricky naozaj svihaju a robia svoju pracu s usmevom, zatial co tam stale chodili hore-dolu a venovali sa omnoho viac kavovaru a nakukanim a co ja viem comu este ako klientom... som tam sedela skoro 2 hodiny kym ma konecne zavolali dovnutra a pritom tam boli okrem mna len 2ja ludia a inac ani chyru ani slychu po dalsich darcoch...
A keby len to... sestricky sa spravali k cloveku ako pomaly k dakemu bezdakovi, takze dakujem pekne...
Volim radsej Slovensko a budem aj nadalej darovavat tu, lebo viem, ze sa ta krv poberie k ludom, ktori to potrebuju... a nebudem podporovat zahranicne firmy, ktore maju na to velke zisky a postavily si firmu blizko hranic, aby nalakali co najviac Slovakov, lebo Rakusania im tam toho vela nedaruju... A ked sa vezme ta suma 18 eur, tak je to ozaj len prispevok na uhradu vydavkov, ako spominaju... vzhladom k ziskom, ake maju oni z toho by s lahkym srdcom mohli dat aj desatnasobok...
Pavol
31.01.2008, 17:19
Ahojky. Na slovensku darovanie plazmy neexistuje (kedysi bolo). Získavajú ju separáciou (centrifúga) celej krvi. Plazmu, myslím vyvážame do Talianska za účelom výroby liekov a potom sa lieky z plazmy dovážajú na slovensko.
Otázka, či ísť darovať krv (plazmu) do Rakúska je na polemiku. Myslím, že nie je vhodné darovať krv (do) zahraničia, keď na slovensku jej máme nedostatok. U mnohých ľudí ide hlavne o ten malý zisk, čo z toho majú. Je nutné ešte spomenúť bezpečnostné riziká.
Tomáš
01.02.2008, 00:03
Jozef a čo by si tak chcel vedieť .
Tomáš
01.02.2008, 00:18
Ja som tam bol minulý týždeň prvý krát a nebol to taký veľký problém, ktorý tu bol spomenutý (ja som bol vonku do hodiny a to tam boli asi traja predo mnou). Samozrejme že na začiatku sa peniaze nedávajú, ide len o prvotné vyšetrenie, aby sa vylúčili prípadný problémoví ľudia.
Aj keď chápem, že majú niektorí výhrady....ale nie vždy sú všetci spokojný!!! :)
A ak sú ti peniaze čo tam dávajú málo, pre porovnanie u nás v BA som dostal 60 SK gastráč.......aj keď som to nerobil preto, aby som za to niečo inkasoval.
Tu nastáva otázka či darovať v zahraničí alebo nie? Moja odpoveď je prečo nie, veď krv alebo plazmu z ktorej sa vyrábajú niektoré potrebné lieky nepotrebujeme len my, ale možno aj ľudia na celom svete.......a k tomu ak sa u nás tá spomínaná plazma nedá nikde darovať (možno sa mýlim).
Tomáš
01.02.2008, 00:21
Týmto tu nechcem obhajovať tú firmu, ktorá to má na starosti
Jozef napísal/a
01.02.2008, 08:33
Ludia dobre rozoberme si to daruva sa krv a daruju sa jednotlive zlozky ako plazma a co dale j ...lebo ak Pavol tvrdis ze na slovensku sa plazma nedaruva v NR ked som bol nabodnuty oproti mne lezala jedna pani a z nej vytahovali tekutinu zltkastej farby a nebol to moc tak sa vas chcem spytat co to bolo ....
Pavol
01.02.2008, 19:53
Jozef neviem ti povedať, čo si videl, ale ak to naozaj nebol moč, tak to bola plazma. Avšak pokiaľ ja viem NTS plazmoferézu nerobí. Odoberajú sa erytrocyty a trombocyty, ale plazma ako taká nie. Neskôr sa separuje. Hoc keby to tak bolo ako opisuješ... to by znamenalo že by musela isť cez centrifugačný prístroj?
A myslím, že po tejto konkrétnej "Rakúskej kauzičke", vydalo NTS aj tlačovo aj televízne vyhlásenie.. v ktorom, myslím bolo povedané, že plazma sa u nás ako taká neodoberá...
Terka
03.02.2008, 23:55
pokiaľ mne je známe, na Slovensku sa nerobí separátne odber plazmy alebo iných zložiek krvi. Odoberá sa kompletne a potom sa delí na jednotlivé zložky, ktoré sa podľa potreby podávajú pacientovi(alebo ako kompletná krv)
Veronika
06.02.2008, 15:41
Ja som mala v Martinskej fakultnej nemocnici taku skusenost, ze jeden chlapik cakal na odber plazmy. Takze si myslim, ze nielen v zahranici sa da chodievat darovat tato zltkasta vecicka ale da sa na to opytat aj tu v nasej republike. Mozno to nemaju vsade, ale v tych fakultnych si myslim, ze to robievaju. Sak sa skuste opytat, ked tam pojdete nabuduce ako to je...
Jozef
06.02.2008, 16:03
Tiez si myslim ze to stou plazmou a jej neodoberanim na slovensku asi az take jednoznacne nebude takze neviem kazdopadne uvidim a nie je to zly napad sa naozaj priamo spytat popri odbere aj na plazmu. Ved uvidime :-)
Pavol
06.02.2008, 20:04
Ach jaj, no spýtajte sa... ale plazmoferéza ako taká (ako v Rakúsku) sa u nás nerobí. Môže sa odoberať vo výnimočných prípadoch (potrebách), ale nie bežne.
Milan
06.02.2008, 20:34
Terka bezne sa nebere jedine plazma, krvne dosticky a cervene krvinky sa odoberaju bezne... na www.primar.sk je o tom na stranke
Krv,darovanie krvi->Zakladne druhy odberov;
ohladne tych dosticiek to viem aj preto lebo otca bezne volaju na separator :)
Marek
08.02.2008, 16:10
Takze radradom. Neviem presne ako to je s darovanim plazmy ale spytam sa ked tam pojdem lebo doteraz som zil v tom ze plazma sa da darovat. Pocul som teda aspon o tom ale nemozem to potvrdit.
K tej rakuskej firme. Osobne si mysli ze tych 18 eur je zavadzanie. Na slovenku ti gastrac daju aj pri prvom darovani. Navyse ked nemas trvaly pobit v mieste odberu a predlozis napriklad cestovny listok tak ti preplatia cestu. Kamaratka to takto robievala ked studovala v BB a byvala nedaleko od VK. A mam taky dojem ze sa jej pytali ci nema daky listok alebo nieco aj ked som snou bol darovat v BA. A pocul som ze v nemenovanom podniku za potvrdenie ze si bol darovat krv dostanes liter cerveneho vina. Takze nechcem pocut o tom ze na slovensku dostanes "len" gastrac, caj, mineralku, daky keks a siel si domov. Osobne si myslim ze to ludia nerobia kvoli gastracu alebo preplateniu cesty ale pre dobry pocit ze niekomu pomozu.
Matus
10.02.2008, 15:45
na prehlad: http://vnl.xf.cz/chi/chi-transfuze.php
jojo, na SVK cytafereza funguje, na plazme som nebol, aj ked ludovo tak hovoria prave cytafereze. Separatory maju v ruzinove, je to tak hodka a pol, podla obsahu trombocytov v krvi. Myslim, ze vyrok ze plazma alebo trombocyty chodia na vedecke ucely do Talianska je rovnako zmysluplny ako ufo a jeho suvis s unosom M.Kovaca mladsieho, lebo na SVK je taky nedostatok darcov, a teda aj krvi ze si to nemozeme dovolit.
Inak je to celkom v pohode, akurat vam trocha trpnu koncatiny a skripete zubami. Ale ten pocit ze potom niekto na operacii nevykrvaca je oka. A priatelia, pozor, 2 gastrace :)) Ale na tie sa vam vyseriem, s prepacenim, zato by som rad vediet kdeze je ten podnik s tym litrom cerveneho?????? m.
inak je
Pavol
14.02.2008, 15:08
Matuš nemýl si dojem s pojmom. Krv sa samozrejme nevyváža do cudziny, ani na vedecké účely. Plazma sa dáva spracovávať na špeciálnych strojoch, ktoré na SVK nemáme a naspäť si z našej plazmy dovážame "naše" lieky.
A nedostatok krvi máme veľký... ale to je problém hlavne SČK, ktorý problematiku darcovstva krvi zjavne dostatočne dobre ignorujú.
Jozef
14.02.2008, 15:40
hej dari sa im xixixixixi ...ale tak myslim ze v prvom rade je to na nas na obcanoch aby sme si uvedomili ze raz mozno krv budeme potrebovat mi
Tomáš
14.02.2008, 20:42
Pocuj Marek, ja som minulu sobotu druhý krát darovať plazmu a dostal som tých 18 eur, takže podvod to nie je, a ako som uviedol vyššie pre peniaze to nerobím, robím dobrá skutok častejšie ako každé tri mesiace.....prečo pomáhať 3krát do roka keď to ide viackrát
Ján
23.03.2008, 18:01
zdravím, ja som bol v Brne raz, ale otom ma vylúčili z darcovstva pre nejakú alerg. reakciu na protizrážavý faktor....aj tak to nie je bohviečo hoďku tam trčať...a dávajú 500 Kč keby sa niekto rozhodol...tak keď nie plazmu, tak aspoň tú krv, hm ? heh
Vratislav
17.10.2008, 16:29
Sanaplazma? Nie dakujem, za tych 18 Eur by mi to ozaj nestalo, a radsej budem pirpaveny ist na zavolany na separator tu ako davat krasne zarobit komercnej firme. Vies ze cena za liter plazmy sa na trhu pohybuje vo vyske cca $80?
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